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Post by marbearcat on Aug 22, 2011 21:09:18 GMT -5
Almost as if this bunch had a mission to totally destroy shareholders chances at anything positive in regards to a ROI.
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Post by gotcmkxdiamonds on Aug 22, 2011 23:03:40 GMT -5
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Post by siriusnews on Aug 23, 2011 0:17:33 GMT -5
sounds like the same ole same ole
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 3:03:00 GMT -5
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 3:18:28 GMT -5
The SEC attorneys filed a motion and brief on 8/22/11. Basically, they asked the court to rescind the filing extension and not allow Hodges to file, until this summary argument to end the case is considered. Guess his ploy didn't work and he was outgunned. Jerry WB www.zshare.net/download/940032793e8d573f/ What I fail to understand is, is that if the plaintiffs truly have the evidence that they needed why the stall? Go in with 2 guns blazing, no? Get the cash and go home? Make these delay issues a non issue. What accounting has it that any fines, thus interest totals running like a cab would street side, while the SEC goes and visits the girlfriend (amounting to waiting on any unknown variable). Having the penalties accruals amassing in this way, as they apparently have been to paying 5-10 X eventually what was initially due and owed? Huh? What school of indolent lackadaisical accounting monitors that school of thought, for such painful and gross sum totals of exponentially, i.e., growing fines ? Fines are to be paid not grow, btw. Pay down that tab in increments that make a modicum of accounting sense, by redoing any such agreement. Agreements were made to be what? BROKEN!~
OIL
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 4:10:04 GMT -5
TIME TO CASH IN SOME GOLD SAY YOU USA TREASURY DEPARTMENT? CMKX WILL TAKE THE CASH EQUIVALENT IN THEIR F+P! GOLD JUST BROKE $1900, OZ and is running. Silver is not doing badly either @ $44.18.
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 5:01:42 GMT -5
Wyatt on Hodges-
"Al is all in, he has everything on the line on this he's has put himself out financially, emotionally, physically.. He's got everything in this...he believes that this is truly imminent, if he did not believe that we are about to be paid any minute now then he would not have allowed himself to get in the financial position that he is in now. He is struggling just like all of us, and the man is very, very sharp, very smart........getting this from good solid people in the administration, people of authority...."
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 5:33:12 GMT -5
This literally has as much to do with court drama as franks and beans have to do with lobster.
The frustration level grows.....OIL
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 23, 2011 6:30:59 GMT -5
If Atty. Hodges is as smart as this Wyatt thinks he is, he should, without delay, immediately cooperate with Mr. Fryar, first of all, because he is in over his head, and second of all, to reclaim any cred that may remain. If he truly has something to prove any of this, he should come forward now and present it to Mr. Fryar openly and not make us go through the motions to get what we will eventually through the court system.
If the real goal is to get shareholders paid, why wouldn't you make use of Mr. Fryar's expertise, unless ego is in play. Makes no sense. If this has been one big ruse, then the chips should fall where they may. The time for this is long overdue. But cooperation or not, we will get the truth. It will just cost more time and money..One also has to wonder if Hodges isn't working with the gov. to disenfranchise the shareholders. Anything is possible at this point. It certainly would explain a lot.. the lack of presentation of evidence, the bizarre documents and faxes that were released, the predictions of payments, the delays, the dinar connection, the world global settlement nonsense.
The only saving grace we have at this point is that the Fryar law firm has been witness to this and we are not out on a branch of a tree by ourselves.
What a mess...
Jerry WB
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 23, 2011 6:45:49 GMT -5
Here is a simple argument that Hodges could have made:
Our claims for taking in this matter goes back to our ownership in this company as shareholders, and ownership proved as holders of certificates of stock.
As owners, we are entitled to claim any type of asset obtained by. and or for, the company and any interests it has, gains, and protects, namely and including, the shareholders. Thus, since this supposed "sting" was executed because harm and devaluation was perpetrated upon the company, its interests and the shareholders, any assets recovered using the company, for the company and by the company, naturally includes the shareholders, as they are the company through their ownership. Thus, these assets should be considered property of the shareholders as by their right of ownership through the company.
Seems pretty clear to me..
Jerry WB
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 6:46:17 GMT -5
Keep up the pressure AL just like you did SUNDAY /MONDAY with your brief, motion 3 days early! Obviously that is what is required here. The SEC / FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is looking for days now not weeks in order to buy more time, apparently. Whatever they can get. The threat of exposure is more damaging then ever to those who hold back these payments. I could care less how they pay the tab. Sell off some bonds, sell gold whatever..
-BTW if it makes sense it is usually true. You did not need to start the rumor of any "electronic" filing on Friday through Sunday for something due on the 24th of August, unless of course the pressure was for very good reason. That matches up perfectly with Wyatt's comments, fwiw.
I like what my friends are telling me. FWIW. AIMHO, (EOM) OIL
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 23, 2011 6:52:43 GMT -5
OIL.
I fear the problem here is not the Gov... Obviously, they don't want to play ball. It is that Hodges didn't make the proper argument...and they know it. Hodges made a mistake by separating the shareholders and the company, as I mention above. The shareholders are the company, in essence. Thus, if stated as I mentioned above, the whole Gov. argument goes out the window.
One had to wonder if this was done deliberately..
Jerry WB
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 7:01:35 GMT -5
OIL. I fear the problem here is not the Gov... Obviously, they don't want to play ball. It is that Hodges didn't make the proper argument...and they know it. Hodges made a mistake by separating the shareholders and the company, as I mention above. The shareholders are the company, in essence. Thus, if stated as I mentioned above, the whole Gov. argument goes out the window. One had to wonder if this was done deliberately.. Jerry WB I totally get this point Jerry. I am an a bad situation here (my family). As you know I can only support what I really know factually. Unfortunately, with Mr. Hodges shareholders are forever, and I mean forever reading into things. That sux. Hodges is a huge hedge bet, as to why many as you well know,- no longer wait on.
This goes without too much explanation, and what I really like about your efforts. I could go on for an hour here.
IMHO2~ Regards respectfully,
OIL
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 7:06:16 GMT -5
But geez none of us read the trust agreements.....hopefully that will soon change jerry...
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 23, 2011 7:14:55 GMT -5
Oil,
I feel your pain.. I only deal in facts, and right now, we have none from Hodges, and neither do the courts. I truly believe this "oversight" was deliberate to separate the company and the shareholders.
I am having Mr. Fryar review all this and my concerns and to see if this whole Bivens action hasn't been a ruse to disenfranchise the shareholders from receiving any assets, which has been a concern of mine and z06Mike for a long time..
If so, perhaps we can address this collusion, and hopefully, make it right.
J WB
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 23, 2011 7:16:22 GMT -5
Oil et al,
And, if anything does exist to read.. trust agreements and the like, I believe we WILL be reading them soon.. despite what Wyatt says..
J WB
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Post by oilipo on Aug 23, 2011 7:32:18 GMT -5
Oil, I feel your pain.. I only deal in facts, and right now, we have none from Hodges, and neither do the courts. I truly believe this "oversight" was deliberate to separate the company and the shareholders. I am having Mr. Fryar review all this and my concerns and to see if this whole Bivens action hasn't been a ruse to disenfranchise the shareholders from receiving any assets, which has been a concern of mine and z06Mike for a long time.. If so, perhaps we can address this collusion, and hopefully, make it right. J WB Hang in there Jerry, you are only human. It can be hard at times looking at this thing while on the one hand we are continually told it's moments away, and then the next thing you know it's months past that point in time. Now accordingly I am willing to not cast negativity on those making such predictions, but the problem is this perpetual lapse in time with no funds and no answers. The best we have had is the longer it takes the larger your funds grow. Seems to me that has morphed into the longer it took the more impossible it became to cover the tab. No? Great job Jerry!
Oil
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 23, 2011 7:51:52 GMT -5
Oil.
Here is the problem for me.. I want to make sure, by checking with Mr. Fryar, that through what I consider poor legal tactics of Hodges, that we are not being damaged. And if the Fryar office thinks we are, are there steps we can take here to intervene in this matter.
My greatest fear is if this ruling goes the government's way, any chance we could have at recovering anything goes out the window. They are basically saying we can prove no right for taking, because the company was used, not the shareholders.. semantics, I know. But the improper wording here could screw us big time.
And that is what I think is happening...
J WB
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Post by siriusnews on Aug 23, 2011 11:45:12 GMT -5
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Post by oilipo on Aug 24, 2011 4:04:50 GMT -5
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Post by oilipo on Aug 24, 2011 4:27:15 GMT -5
Looks like the filing is out, and basis for a class action is now being presented in this brief. Also, this is an amended filing. Mentions more defendants to come once named, (not available to plaintiffs today). Also mentions "similarly situated", in reference to the future class action. Yes, they would be included in any future Class Action litigation proceedings according not only to the way this filing reads, but how he, Hodges represents the way damages were collected initially (the intention of which) for those plaintiffs more importantly by Maheu himself apparently so, + IMHO. Punitive damages now entertained. I like this filing very much.
No. 11-55169 IN THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT/AUGUST 23rd
EOM
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Post by oilipo on Aug 24, 2011 5:24:48 GMT -5
So Okie reports RV at $3.68 at approx 3,30 am EST this morning. We shall see folks. Notice the small font. I am too manic to go further here, and depressed also. I am a small dinar investor, BTW. GLGB, OIL
(Well we can forget that... I see on Okie site they pulled a birthday joke on the poor guy. What else would one expect, (no rate again huh?) Personally, I would think nothing, as I do not anyway, of any of these guys, nor their no/never ending/ happening no-date updates until the forex posts it themselves, and you are on line to cash out, at your bank. Not too bright OKIE! Hilarious.)
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Post by oilipo on Aug 24, 2011 5:56:34 GMT -5
So Okie reports RV at $3.68 at approx 3,30 am EST this morning. We shall see folks. Notice the small font. I am too manic to go further here, and depressed also. I am a small dinar investor, BTW. GLGB, OIL (Well we can forget that... I see on Okie site they pulled a birthday joke on the poor guy. What else would one expect, (no rate again huh?) Personally, I would think nothing, as I do not anyway, of any of these guys, nor their no/never ending/ happening no-date updates until the forex posts it themselves, and you are on line to cash out, at your bank. Not too bright OKIE! Hilarious.) Now folks say that it's real. I have had it. I am going to Wal Mart. Get me a frozen pizza, and half and half. later. OIL
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 24, 2011 8:58:16 GMT -5
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Post by oilipo on Aug 24, 2011 10:34:18 GMT -5
Great article Jerry, and actually I was unaware that Pacer had not posted the filing..again great posts by you and ty Jerry!
OIL
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Post by siriusnews on Aug 24, 2011 11:20:05 GMT -5
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Post by siriusnews on Aug 24, 2011 11:23:29 GMT -5
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Post by wolfbela on Aug 24, 2011 11:37:38 GMT -5
Here is the two page appeal filing summary as of 12:37 PM EST. Jerry Attachments:
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Post by siriusnews on Aug 24, 2011 12:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by gotcmkxdiamonds on Aug 24, 2011 13:28:28 GMT -5
THIS IS JUST IN MY OPINION ONLY. DID U EVER STOP TO THINK THAT MAYBE JUST MAYBE AL,S PLAN WAS TO BE ABLE TO BRING THIS TO THE SC. I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT IF THE JUDGE GOES ALONG WITH THE GOVT DISMISSAL, AL CAN THEN TAKE IT TO THE SC. IF THATS THE CASE THEN MAYBE HE DROPS THE BOMB. HE MITE SAY HE HAS A WITNESS VIDEO SLIDES AND DOCUMENTATION OF AL THE WRONG DOERS THAT PAID IN THAT ROOM IN LAS VEGAS. I THINK IF THIS WERE THE CASE THE SC COULD NOT IGNORE IT.
HUMM JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION. JUST MAYBE THIS COULD BE THE SCENARIO
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