September 18, 2010
Re: The Buzz Chat 9/13
« Result #10 Yesterday at 9:57am »
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Yesterday at 9:23am, cao wrote:Robert,
You mentioned that the amended complaint was filed as leverage and as a protective measure. Does this mean that another promise for release is currently in effect with a specific date for release? Is Al just waiting on that particular date right now? I appreciate anything you could say on that. Take care Robert.
Cao,
All I know it could happen any time. Attorney Hodges last update said 'soon'. Attorney Hodges will notify the Shareholders when it is done.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: CMKX CIRCLE -Silence has fallen like fresh sno
« Result #9 Yesterday at 12:13pm »
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Yesterday at 8:49am, ines wrote:Summary: Sept 14th to Sept 17th
Sept 14th 2010, Tuesday, Philm was completely right that Hodges will refile.
Bholleneg went out to email hodges about it and got response that the info is bogus, which proved to actualy be a bogus info itself 2 days after, and even one day after when everybody started dripping info about refile.
Sheila also suposedly went out to say info is bogus that hodges was going to refile, and obviously she was told and putting out incorrect information.
Alan was convinced himself that there will be no refile as just a saturday before he was still told by hodges there will be no refile, and he even said on tuesday the 14th that as of 15 min ago there were no changes.
That proved to be wrong.
Only a day after Alan Treffery posted that there are changes now and that HOdges will refile, as an insurance strategy of a sort so that they dont back off.
Treffery the plaintif, was also convinced that Hodges is putting out news about our ER by 16th.
Dizardos even though he is not a plaintif has posted about same information which is that Hodges will put out news about ER.
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news about ER never came out.
HOdges refiled his amendement on 16th.
Tyler gang put out their update on 17th about doing their irs report from year 2002 to 2009.
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Some plaintifs had dinner ( i have heard of one) with hodges, assuming after he put out Amendement, and were assured that things will be ok, or are ok.
No details on why the news about ER that so many expected, and obviously were told by Hodges, ( Alan treffery) did not come out.
the end.
Ines,
If you read the email then you would know the truth. I was asked by the Shareholders to verify this message..
Sept 14, 2010, 7:44am, sunbeam777 wrote:
gr8hiker: philm was posting that he heard from someone close to the scene that Al got a phone call and was told to prepare the refile over the weekend and AH was POed.
Here is the email response to ...
"Bob-
Be advised that I have received no such phone call, nor any such
instructions. An Amended Complaint has been prepared and will be timely filed in the event we have not been paid.
Regards,
Al"
The philm information posted was bogus. Attorney Hodges was not going to re-file unless we did not get paid. Attorney Hodges did not receive a phone call advising him to re-file.
I posted on September 16th...
"Attorney Hodges, as a precaution, has prepared an “Amended Complaint”, which will be timely filed in the event Shareholders have not been paid. This is a prudent precaution, a strategic move to further protect and ensure the release of the funds to the Shareholders. If the funds are released with no problems, then the “Amended Complaint” will not be filed. If the funds are not released, then the “Amended Complaint” will be filed. This is a precaution, an additional protection just in case there is a problem."
Why are you focusing on trying to discredit those working on releasing the funds?
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: Mistery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #8 Yesterday at 12:28pm »
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Yesterday at 12:14pm, ines wrote:Mistery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
Now this is a big mistery.
I just read all the rumors and info posted by plaintifs and messengers from Sept 14th to Sept 17th.
Including Hodges filled amendement from the 16th.
Now this is the interesting thing that is missing here.
Tuesday sept 14th, philm writes that he got info that Hodges was just told he better get ready for refile.
Same day, Bhollen writes to Hodges who responds that info is completely bogus. There will be no refile wrote Bhollen.
Sheilla suposedly says same on the boards. Bogus info, no refile.
Alan treff or very tired, writes that he has spoken to hodges on past saturday and he said no refile.
he also posts on the 14th Tuesday, that as of 15 min ago there is no change.
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So obviously 2 days before the 16th, end of 45 days, Hodges was still stating that he will not refile, even telling plaintifs that Philm had bogus info about hodges having to refile. OK>
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15th Wednesday
Alan treff says now that he was updated by Hodges about the new strategy and that hodges will refile even if we get ER, just to make sure its like insurance that the other side does not revert something if he does not refile later on.
So ok. the day after hodges is talkign about refile as "insurance">
On that same day 15th Wednesday, Alan treff writes that he fully expects the news from Hodges, meaning ER news, plus that he expects the release of money itself or ER.
Dizardos reports the same thing to the boards.
On the 16th Thursday, before the refile time, Dizardos writes that we have received ER the night before.
On the 16th later in the day Hodges refiles his amendement.
He does not put out any news about ER.
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Sept 15, 2010, 12:37pm
very_tired15: No ER, but he expects it by tomorrow... since they waited to the last minute to pay us, there is a potential change in strategy.
AH may refile, even if we get ER, just to keep the pressure on them so that the stragglers are insured to get payment. So, even if we get the announcement, he will likely refile and then dismiss it after everyone is paid.
very_tired15: Believe me, I was told repeatedly that we would not need to refile. If he decides to refile - even if ER comes - then there is a strategy to maintain pressure.It is a new strategy to me as of last night
September 16th 2010 , Thursday.
3) Al Hodges received ER last night.
4) We will hear something by the close of business today.
Ines,
If ER was received, Attorney Hodges would have notified the Shareholders.
If you read the email then you would know the truth. I was asked by the Shareholders to verify this message..
Sept 14, 2010, 7:44am, sunbeam777 wrote:
gr8hiker: philm was posting that he heard from someone close to the scene that Al got a phone call and was told to prepare the refile over the weekend and AH was POed.
Here is the email response to ...
"Bob-
Be advised that I have received no such phone call, nor any such
instructions. An Amended Complaint has been prepared and will be timely filed in the event we have not been paid.
Regards,
Al"
The philm post information was bogus. Attorney Hodges was not going to re-file unless we did not get paid.
I posted on September 16th...
"Attorney Hodges, as a precaution, has prepared an “Amended Complaint”, which will be timely filed in the event Shareholders have not been paid. This is a prudent precaution, a strategic move to further protect and ensure the release of the funds to the Shareholders. If the funds are released with no problems, then the “Amended Complaint” will not be filed. If the funds are not released, then the “Amended Complaint” will be filed. This is a precaution, an additional protection just in case there is a problem."
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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September 19, 2010
Re: BHOLLENEGG for you
« Result #7 Today at 5:29am »
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Thank you Funado and IceCrush...I could not have said it any better. I agree with both.
I do not know what the details of the agreement Mr. Maheu made with those who paid for their wrong doings, just as I do not know all the details of what Attorney Hodges has, his strategies, his evidences, his connections...but I know enough that if this is not done correctly, or any interference creates groundwork for a technicality, we would have a major setback. I posted this earlier that my knowledge and experience in legal matters pales and is no match to the 40 years of professional knowledge and experience of Attorney Hodges. I do not expect Attorney Hodges to report back everything he is doing on public message boards while he is in the trenches fighting this battle. Withholding information is not to keep the Shareholders in the dark; it is to keep the adversaries from finding a way out. I have complete trust in Attorney Hodges’s abilities and capabilities to do what is best for the successful outcome in releasing the funds to the Shareholders.
Andy Oakes, when government agencies have funds for and from covert operations, they are not going to put the details out for public scrutiny. There will be times when moving any of the funds into the normal banking system, like in our case, will provide evidence of the funds.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: Mystery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #6 Today at 6:31am »
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Yesterday at 1:21pm, ines wrote:Mg Paul,
When i try to find the head or tails of this it just gets worse and I end up in frustration.
One thing definetely pulls another.
And you do make a good point.
No need to refile confirmed again on sept 14th,
and then on 15th wednesday alan treff talks about new strategy which is refile even if we get ER.
We refile on 16th thursday, and update says we are still tied to World settlements.
Trying to make sense of all the programs he mentioned that all have to be funded in the same time, plus the Basel List Items of which 20 only 1 or 2 have not been paid,
again just completely sends the whole thing in mumbo jumbo.
List of all the things that need to be funded includes:
#1 pay-out of all the domestic prosperity settlements;
#2 institution of the US dollar re-funding project;
#3 pay-out of world settlements; and,
#4 distribution of funds to many other programs.
and then we have:
"nearly all of the BASEL list items [some 20 in number] have been paid out; only one or two items remain IMO."
so are all the 4 lists above actualy included in BASEL 20 below?
and only 1 or 2 have not been paid.
That would make it sound as if only we are not paid plus Cotrell.
This is impossible to understand.
And maybe that is the point.
But certainly Hodges had to know on the 14th, that he has to file or not on 16th.
But everything seems to be play on words. We can say its not true that Hodges got a phone call from anybody that he needs to get ready for refile,
but what plaintifs got from him and what they posted is that there will be NO REFILE and they posted that on 14th.
Which obviously is 2 different things.
Treffery the plaintif still expected to have the news on ER when he posted about it on sept 14th, to come out by 16th.
And then he was informed on 15th wednesday of new strategy that Hodges will refile one way or another with ER or without ER.
Without ER because he has to,
and with ER for the insurance all goes well.
Its all weird.
In the least maybe the reasons are that they simply do not want to put info out to shareholders until they absolutely have to in the last second.
I guess Hodges felt that it would be quite a shock to just refile on 16th and completely shock his own plaintifs so he softened it with "new strategy" on 15th the day before.
The Funny Thing is that just a day before Plaintifs on 14th were assured that there will be NO REFILE.
Actualy bhollen wrote it himself as well.
From the email he exchanged with Hodges on 14th.
No refile.
Ines,
"Bob-
Be advised that I have received no such phone call, nor any such
instructions. An Amended Complaint has been prepared and will be timely filed in the event we have not been paid.
Regards,
Al"
There is no mystery. Attorney Hodges conveyed, if we do not get paid he will file an amended complaint. We did not get paid, Attorney Hodges filed an amended complaint. When Attorney Hodges said he will not re-file, he was expecting we will be paid. He was prepared just in case.
This is a dynamic situation. There will be changes, expected and unexpected. If Attorney Hodges finds it necessary to make a change in his strategy because of a change in the situation, then why do you have a problem with this? Why are you spending so much time and energy throughout the message boards trying to discredit Attorney Hodges while he is fighting for the release of the funds to the Shareholders?
Thank you,
BHollenegg
By: planter82
17 Sep 2010, 03:34 PM EDT
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let it be known that there are certain groups that are doing
everything in their power to derail Al Hodges and the 7 plaintiffs
expect a big push to derail them this coming week.
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Re: Mystery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #5 Today at 7:25am »
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Today at 6:55am, funado wrote:--------------------Quote--------------------
By: planter82
17 Sep 2010, 03:34 PM EDT
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let it be known that there are certain groups that are doing
everything in their power to derail Al Hodges and the 7 plaintiffs
expect a big push to derail them this coming week.
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I really can't imagine anyone who actually holds any shares to be trying to derail Al Hodges and the 7 plaintiffs. That is truly beyond my ability to comprehend. It's like intentionally hurting someone who is reaching out their hand to help you.
Is this what waiting does to people? Or is there something else in play here? I don't believe that legitimate shareholders would be behind any concerted move to harm Al's efforts to get the funds released.
If someone is actually doing this, then I have to assume that (1) they don't have any shares and (2) someone (meaning the bad guys) is paying or otherwise encouraging them to do it.
If there is any concerted effort to harm Al's efforts, I certainly hope we can all bind together to do something about it.
Al must be supported. The fight against the criminals who are holding our funds must be supported. We have to read Al's original Bivens complaint and the amended complaint, and understand what Al is doing for us through those legal steps.
And we have to stay level-headed enough that we don't try to hurt or slow down the one person who is engaged in the legal battle of his life for our benefit.
Otherwise, I have to assume that we, collectively, have failed, and the government or whoever it is that is trying to deceive us has won. That would be the worst conclusion I could ever imagine.
Please everyone, give this some real serious thought. Whenever you hear anyone saying anything that goes against Al or his efforts in any way, please question it carefully and then ignore it -- or better yet -- fight against it. Because it isn't meant to help us. Anybody who tries to damage Al's efforts is trying to finish us off and avoid paying us. We can't let them do that.
Funado
Funado....You are correct. I do not feel any Shareholder would intentionally derail those trying to release the funds. Shareholders need to be aware that there is a push to create problems and that some of our actions may fuel the adversaries' intentions.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: Mystery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #4 Today at 8:40am »
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Peterg and Mgpaul,
I posted the following information before the re-file and Attorney Hodges' update.
Attorney Hodges, as a precaution, has prepared an “Amended Complaint”, which will be timely filed in the event Shareholders have not been paid. This is a prudent precaution, and strategic move to further protect and ensure the release of the funds to the Shareholders. If the funds are released with no problems, then the “Amended Complaint” will not be filed. If the funds are not released, then the “Amended Complaint” will be filed. This is a precaution and should be of no surprise to have this additional protection just in case there is a problem.
I have been honest with all my messages of what I know. I cannot predict what will happen if different scenarios occur with the release of the funds. I can tell you what I know to be correct at the present time, but I cannot tell you what the adversaries will do or have up their sleeves in order to delay or stop the release of the funds. I know enough to realize where my limitations are when it comes to something as important as the release of the funds to the Shareholders. My knowledge and experience in legal matters, especially in this situation, pales and is no match to an Attorney with over 40 years of professional knowledge and experience in law and legal matters. Attorney Hodges may not know what the adversaries have up their sleeves to stop or delay the release of the funds, however, Attorney Hodges knows what is required to counteract the adversaries’ attempts to thwart a just outcome for the Shareholders. Attorney Hodges and his expertise is a major ingredient for the successful outcome in releasing the funds.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: Mystery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #3 Today at 9:26am »
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Today at 8:52am, mgpaul wrote:Bob thank you for your response. Hopefully you realize that much of this angst comes from all of the confusion that surrounds all of the info that comes out on this saga. One question to you and I am not trying to box you in and realize that your response will only be your opinion.
If as you say things change due to a change in strategy how is it a change in strategy when Al believes we will not have to re-file while at the same time knowing that we were tied to World settlements (which was / is an event or series of events clearly out of his control)? How / why would anyone make a statement so sure "no re-file" when much of the outcome was still in question (dependent on World settlements)?
TIA
Mgpaul,
Attorney Hodges has been fighting to separate the CMKX Funds from the World Funds to get away from the stipulation that requires all accounts to be fully funded and released at the same time. Not all of the accounts are funded. The government agreed to provide ER several times, but did not follow through as agreed. Attorney Hodges is fighting to get the funds released. There is a concerted effort to get the rest of the accounts funded. Attorney Hodges is doing whatever needs to be done to get our funds released.
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: Mystery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #2 Today at 11:01am »
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Today at 9:31am, ines wrote:The reason for the title of this thread was because Hodges told Alan treffery posted on 15th that he has a new strategy and that even if he did receive ER he would still file the amendement for "insurance" purposes.
Hodges kept saying all along those 45 days there is no need to refile.
It was odd for a lawyer to say that because unless he has assurance its happening already he does have to take into consideration that he may have to refile.
So that was odd.
The only reason i can think of is because he does not want shareholders or plaintifs fretting and worrying too much, or even meddling in his business until its end of 45 days and things have to go public anyway.
But that would be in a way a white lie.
No need to refile, no need to refile, if nothing is actualy already in the way ,in the process of happening, then it really is not very honest or realistic.
Or if he had the reason to believe its alrady under way, and its happening, and he did get ER, but he is filing anyway just for insurance purposes.
We can all see that plaintifs and messengers are used to put out messages and create atmosphere that Hodges wants the shareholders to percieve.
I do have to question the sincerity of Hodges conversation with Alan trefery on that saturday sept 11, few days before the 16th thursday, when he was still telling him "no need to refile">
He had 4 business days left, and he has no ER, and he is still thinking there is no need to refile?
I dont trust it.
Does not sound reasonable or truthfull.
But when you see that such things dont sound very sincere, how far does it really go? that things are not sincere that are put out?
Well for me, 45 days was questionable to beging with, but definetely half way through those 45 days, and nothing coming out, and no ER, it definetely sounded untrutfull that "There is no need to refile".
Hey after all , it does not matter.
Its just my opinion, for me myself. And for me to deal with what is going on with "my investment" here.
And the way i see it, I was rigth with my senses on this file - no file thingy,
I was right on "best labor day ever", and in combination those 2 definetely pointed toward ongoing "hold me over" tactics that ended up just holding us over these 45 days with no ER.
I do not trust the "sugestions" at the math formula that was put out, that brings some people to "conclusions" we are getting 6 dollars a share, without one really ever stating it openly and directly.
and after all, with all the rumors previously finnaly posted by Whyatt and pongo i think that it did come actualy from hodges, and then his explanation that its not all true, but necesary at times,
add to that very foggy connections and explanations of world settlements tied to us,
reasons given... etc..
I know I dont have to bother believing any more then 15 % tops of any of the info specificaly but its still a gamble which 15% to trust in.
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just the way things are.
Its always been like this with cmkx, with tyler, and now with hodges.
same ole same ole.
Besides all the deception, story lines, etc I still hope that at some point Hodges gets this done.
Ines, I was gone on the 15th. I did not read what Alan Tref wrote until the 16th. Alan Tref said Attorney Hodges was going to file even if the ER was received to make sure the shareholders who are latecomers are paid.
I was told I would be the first to know if we get ER. I am all Ears and still waiting.
Pongo did not get his latest information from Attorney Hodges. Pongo has two other sources.
I agree the no-refile messages came across the ER would happen and the funds will be released. I posted several times "Attorney Hodges will contact the shareholders when it is done." "wait to hear from Attorney Hodges".
Thank you,
BHollenegg
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Re: Mystery - Did Hodges get ER or not?
« Result #1 Today at 11:26am »
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Today at 11:10am, ines wrote:Its ok Bhollen,
its just a general mess and frustration.
I understand everything, and still in all frustration i know that things will not change, not for the shareholders in the way they are treated, informed etc.
Its just our position.
Its how we are dealth with. Its how we are kept at bay, at the distance. Its always been that way and it is still that way.
I understand all the dynamics. Its just very frustrating and the time is going by as always, and disapointments are always present, and its hard to deal with it.
Thats all.
I know what my position is as a shareholder. it is how it is and how its always been.
Its just hard to forget and get away from the boards. Its been very long.
Ines,
I agree with you on this. Nothing seems to be as straight forward as I want or thought it would be. Hopefully, we will not have to put up with this uncertainty too much longer. Attorney Hodges is very determined to get the release done.
Thank you,
BHoleneg
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